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I'm a doctor in Jianshi. I have one question for Talk Once:
if somebody comes to our Enshi to say Ming's killing of Tu
people is a good thing, and for that he got a tight slap
from a Tu youth, do you reckon the youth as being very violent?
Besides, Manchus' conquer of China was the barbarian's
victory over the civilisation, which dragged China into a
300-year dark age and fell behind on progress.
还有个区别, 满*入侵中原, 是野蛮战胜了文明, 而且确实是把中国带入了一个黑暗落后的世界。而我们土家应该没有因为明朝的融合而更加落后吧?
琼子姐姐, what a co-incident; me too, from Jianshi. Could you
please tell me where is your hospital or clinic? I would
advise you to go ask anybody in our region to see if you
can find one whose ancestors did not migrate from Han area.
In Jianshi, nobody is a real ethnic Tu - maybe there are
a few in Hefeng and Xianfeng. It is the self-mutilation policy
that allocated the entire Enshi as minority ethnic self-autonomous
region, and now you talk about Tu youth, don't you think
it sounds like a bad joke? Where are the genuine Tu youth?
Tell you what, if Yan dares to come to Enshi, I will also
give him a hard slap in his face.
Let me add one more point. By the time the Tu and Miao ethnic
self-autonomous region came into being, I was in grade two,
and my teacher asked each student to advise her the ethnic
background so she could fill a form. After went through a
few students, she found an easy way to deal the matter and
told us: I just make you all ethnic Tu, so late on you will
be eligible to receive special benefits in tertiary education
and many other areas, after all, it's just a piece of paper
and won't change who you are. And that was how I became ethnic
Tu. In fact, my father was from Jinzhou (荆州), mother is a
Henan (河南) native. And my grandfather still remembered the
stories of how our ancestors resettled here.
According to what I know from my experience (by the way,
I'm 34 this year), the majority ethnic "Tu" are
in fact people from Hunan, Sichuan and Hubei. But the Tu
(meaning native) originally means the native in Enshi region.
So now I'm quite confused, what native really means.
琼子姐姐, 真还巧了, 我也是建始的。 请问你是建始哪个地方的医生? 你随便问个土家族[一个]人, 哪个祖宗八代上不是从汉族地区迁移过来的?
在建始见过谁是真正的土家? 你回去问你的父母。或者说鹤丰, 咸丰还有那么几个已经被同化的土家族[以外], 整[真]个恩施地区居民基本都是外地移民。一个自我阉割的民族政策把整个恩施都划为少数民族自治州,
你还在这里当宝了!还土家后生, 我晕! 可以这么说, 如果阎老狗敢去恩施, 我也想扇它耳光!
我正在读小学二年纪, 在课堂上老师问我们是什么民族, 好填档案上报民族人口。最后老师很干脆的说: 你们全都报土家族,
以后考学或者其他什么的都有优惠, 反正就是随便填一个, 没有什么大问题。然后我就成了土家族一员。其实我父系荆州,
母系河南。据我外公讲述祖辈传下来当初迁移到恩施地区来时的辛苦, 用四个字形容当时生产情况, 就是"挽草为界"。
根据我所接触的土家人来看(我今年34了), 他们不是湖南\四川, 就是湖北迁移过来的。而所谓土家族定义就是恩施本土土著居民?何谓土著,
I'm ethnic Tu in Hubei Enshi, and from my point of view,
80 percent of Tus in Enshi were Hans. My parents are all
Hans, and I changed to Tu only to enjoy preferential policy
on tertiary education. Tu and Han are closely bound by blood,
language and culture, and Tu never for once tried to go independent
until Manchus came to power who abolished the self-autonomous
policy (土司自治) long held by Han governments, while replaced
with Qing's rule of ethnic suppression and apartheid, which
caused the conflicts between Tus and Manchus.
Talk Once is indeed shameless, 'cause I'm sure you are not
Tu. Why do you want to pretend to one while you're not? Is
this your Manchus' typical old trick? It seems if you
guys are not there sowing the seeds of discord between peoples
in the south and the north, you'll have to do something to
provoke conflict between Hans and other ethnic groups. I
wasn't going to say something in this debate initially, but
you guys are just so outrageous. I didn't have much negative
opinions about you people, but now I really think you are
Those who attack Hans, you'd better to listen this carefully:
Yan got slapped in the face not because of his talk about
history but his assault on basic human decency. Let's not
excuse him for his actions because of his age; he's old enough
to understand what he can say and what he can't. Japanese
war criminal 岗村宁次 was also over 70 when he was tried, do
you think the international court was too cruel to do so?
Talk Once, you hear me, we Tu people don't have a conscienceless
freak like you. You make us feel embarrassed and you insulted
We should not remember the past for stirring hate in public
or wanting revenge, but neither must we forget the historical
lesson! Manchus dragged the entire China into the abyss,
and brought disastrous consequences to Hans and all other
ethnic Chinese. Yet Talk Once would be so sinister as to
pretend to be another minority ethnic identity while attacking
Hans. You guys are just like your shameless ancestors. Fortunately,
majority people here can see through you.
I say Talk Once, go to Wild Three Pass or Youyang and stay
there for sometime, you'll learn some historical truth. I'd
never heard the killing of ethnic Tus by the Ming emperor,
I only know many soldiers of Ming General Qi Jiguang (戚继光)
were us Tus.
As for a professor on Manchu history who promotes genocide
publicly on TV, should we just pardon him because he's an
old man? Those bleeding hearts who condemn the young man
for slapping Yan's face, I would like to ask you one question:
I'm 65, and I am now gravely offended and insulted by that
genocide promoter, do you guys also have your hearts bleeding
As a regime with only a population of hundreds of thousands,
we ruled a country with hundreds of millions of people for
nearly 300 years, we feel very proud. It is unprecedented
in world history.
I call for mass killing of Han promoters.
Manchus' Qing court is a invaded alien regime, just
like Japanese army in China during the WWII .
If an originally invaded alien group still holds a fancy
to kill the main body of Chinese nation, we should regard
them as our enemy and treat them accordingly.
Those Manchu promoters are more like demons now. They tasted
the life of slaver owners once, and are not willing to support
themselves but yearning to resume their old parasite life
style. For realising this dream, they've exerted great efforts
in the past twenty years, do we just stand by watching and
allow them to do what they are going?
满*这个成了精的鞑靼民族, 他们尝过奴隶主的风光, 决不愿意从此老老实实做个自食其力的公民, 他们已经努力了二十年了,
Once I had a colleague who belongs to a minority ethnic
community. Generally speaking he's a pretty good guy and
we got on quite well, but once he really drove me nuts. By
then another colleague had a bad row with a security guard,
later when he learned the incident, he said to me, "Let
me go to teach him a lesson. I'm from an ethnic minority
background, I can get away with beating that Han fella up
- the authority can do nothing about it!"
Give me a break, Talk Once, won't you! My ancestors fled
to west Hunan from Beijing when Manchus invaded, so originally
my family was Hans. But prior to go to Beijing, my forebears
were chieftains of a native tribe in Hunan, but before that,
they were Hans again in north of China.
Those who keep accusing others of being narrow-minded nationalists
are extremists themselves. What laid under the Manchu soldiers'
horses were not just the flesh and blood of people in Jiangnan ,
but that of Tu people in Hunan. Wherever there were Manchus,
there were disasters and death.
In the past couple of decades, I've see so many ethnically
biased policies in favour of minority ethnic groups to be
implemented, from education, job promotion to childbearing.
When I think of this, I feel deeply worried for our country.
If you think the more ethnic groups the better, you're wrong.
We have obligations to protect the genuine minority cultures,
but to artificially split the major ethnic community into
small ones, it is totally pathetic, and is a crime committed
against our nation.
这几十年, 我看了太多因为优惠政策而改动民族的, 从上学到上班, 为自己,为儿女。其实想一想, 真还很担忧。一个国家,
并不是民族多就是好事, 民族越少才对一个国家的稳定越好, 保护真正的少数民族是刻不容缓和应该的, 而把原本是主体民族的划分出去,
那就是悲哀,就是对民族, 对国家, 对历史犯下的最大错误!
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