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An Online Ethnic Debate (1)

11 November 2008
 

Since Yan, a Manchu historian-turned-television showman, was slapped hard in the face when promoting his book regarded as applauding genocide, online debate around the incident continues to this very day. The following are the English translation of some messages and the original text posted on the biggest Chinese forum tianya.cn. Note some justifications on the order of the posts are made to aid readers' navigation of the argument:

Talk Once (ethnic identity unknown):

I belong to minority ethnic Tu. There is no double that 300 years ago the blood flew like rivers when Manchu armies completed the mission to conquer China. However, a similar incident also occurred 600 years ago, when Zhu Yuanzhang (朱元璋), the founding emperor of the Ming, conquered the people of Tu.

As an ethnic Tu, I'm scared of the Han promoters the most, because Tu is an ethnic group closely integrated with Han, and over half of the Tu family have Han members under one roof. The destructive forces Han promoter will bring forth are far more deadly than Tibetan and Uighur independence movements, since it could see my children get killed and many families to be torn into pieces.

本人土家族。 毫无疑问的是,300多年前中国这片土地上曾经血流成河,满清军队完成了对中国大地的征服。同样在600年前,我的家乡也一样曾经血流成河,那正是明太祖朱元璋的部队屠杀了我们部族,完成对我们民族的征服。

作为一个土家族人,最害怕的还是皇汉这种种族主义,原因无他,因为土家族作为一个大量和汉族通婚的民族,相当大比例(超过一半应该有吧)的家庭都同时有汉族也有土家族,正像前南地区一样,皇汉们带来的战争远比藏独疆独更烈,不仅仅是夺取我们孩子的生命,还将撕裂大多数土家族人的家庭!

武汉的春风 (Han):

No Han people ever try to seek revenge again Manchus, just like no Chinese ever want to take retribution on Japanese for what they did in Nanjing during the WWII. But Yan publicly pays tribute to the murderers of the Han people in Jiangnan, which is like a Japanese goes to Nanjing praising the war criminals who committed the Nanjing massacre.

没人说要找满族人报复, 就像没人说要杀日本人报仇。但是阎老贼公然为屠夫歌功颂德,如同日本人不但不认错,还跑到南京宣传大东亚共荣圈。

qsong01 (Han):

Hi Talk Once, you are wrong. Yan got slapped in the face is not just because he promotes ethnic hatred, but because of his shameless assault on basic human decency.

Looking back in history, no ethnic group is free of wrong doings, what is important is to handle our mistakes well and learn from them. If somebody over there applauds First Emperor Qin's brutal acts of burning of books and burying of scholars, I'm sure he will receive a tight slap too.

楼主你错了,阎叫兽挨打不是仅仅因为煽动民族情绪,而是对人类基本道德准则的无耻践踏,对反人类以及反文化罪行的漠视和不知廉耻的美化。

上下五千年同生共息,谁敢说哪个民族在所有历史时期都没有犯过错,问题是如何正确对待这些历史。如果现在有人宣扬说秦始皇焚书坑儒是英明伟大的,是为了维护社会稳定所必需采取的手段,照样会有人跳出来扇他耳光。

blueclass (Han with a Tu relative):

Hi, Talk Once, you sound pretty weird. No one wanna do anything against ethnic Tu, what are you screaming about?

I'm a Hunan native and I used to have ethnic Tu classmates. One of my cousins also has his ethnic identity changed from Han to Tu purely for the sake of a special admission to tertiary education. If you're a fake Tu, you're wicked; if you're a real one, then you're an idiot.

楼主,你是咋了啊?没人要拿土家族[要]咋样!你这么蹦出来多突兀啊。

我是湖南人,家乡也有土家族。初中时有个土家同学就姓覃,我一表弟为了高考加分也汉改土家了。楼主如果是假土家,其心可诛;如果是真土家,未免太过愚蠢了。

岗阪尔川 (Tu):

I'm ethnic Tu in Enshi Tu & Miao Self-autonomous region, and I seriously doubt Talk Once is Tu. I think he's a Manchu. I don't like quarrel, but just wanna say one thing: as a true ethnic Tu, I support Dahanzhifeng (大汉之风) slapping that old bastard Yan.

我就是土家族地区 - 恩施土家族苗族自治州的一名土家族,。可楼主说的我怎么觉得越看越觉得楼主像头猪呢, 不像土家族人呢?。因为厌倦网络口角, 不多说, 所以只在这里表达我的看法。一个真正土家族的看法: 我是支持扇阎老贼的耳光的。

蓝云海 (Tu):

Talk Once, do read the comments here; looks I'm not the only one who wanna slap your face. I'm ethnic Tu, but I believe everyone should be treated equally regardless of his/her ethnic background, and support an acknowledgement of Han people as the mainstream ethnic group in China. After all, it is Hans who have created brilliant Chinese culture.

楼主,你自己看看,可不是我一个土家族想抽你。就算我是土家族是少数民族,我也支持民族的平等,也就是说支持汉族的主体地位。汉族毕竟是创造了灿烂的中华文化的民族。

(tianya.cn/publicforum/content/free/1/1448181.shtml)

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南京不死魂:

One of my fellow students in college now teaches history at a high school, and he watched tianya.cn's interview of Dahanzhifeng after D was released by police for slapping that TV showman.

He told me his school has decided to ditch the standard history book on Ming and Qing and write their own textbook instead. Currently they are searching materials online, and hope one day all high schools in the region will use their textbook.

Dahanzhifeng's slap is helping 200 to 300 million Chinese kids to learn historical truth in that period of history.

我的一个同学现在在中学教书,他现在也在看天涯上的这场访谈。

他告诉我,他们学校的历史教研组已经研究决定,本学年关于明清史的教学,不用课本,而是组织老师自己编写教材。我同学就到汉网等一些网站上去寻找教学素材。并且多安排学生通过辩论来了解真正的明清历史。甚至整个区都将推广这个做法。

可以说,大汉之风这一掌,让全国至少2亿学生和3亿年轻人了解了满清的罪恶历史。现在中学生放学回家的路上都会说"阎老狗该打"这样的话。

荆州节度使:

I doubt what your school have done would be practical, because current education system in China is a just a preparation for tertiary entrance exam, with standard answers provided by the Education Department. How many schools would be brave enough to use a different textbook with different answers to the questions?

However, I salute the courage of the authority and the teachers of that school.

我觉得有点困难,因为应试教育的最高准则是在升学考试中拿高分,一切以教育部教科书和标准答案为准。如果真的有学校愿意这么做,那么这个学校的校长和老师的勇气和责任感真的很令人钦佩!


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